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trvmontageRense: All right. Time for hour number two and a return visit from Joni Dourif of PSI TECH. PSI TECH International, founded in 1989, currently employs an expert group of professional remote viewers in its commercial operations, administered from corporate headquarters in Seattle, in the beautiful Pacific Northwest. Technical Remote Viewing training, the world’s foremost remote viewing instruction, is available on video tape format, produced and distributed by PSI TECH. Joni is the guiding force and driving force behind PSI TECH and welcome back Joni.

Dourif: Hi Jeff. Thanks for having me back.

Rense: You’re welcome. This is a, kind of a taking a little bit of a new public relations turn with the idea of, it has been discussed for years, and certainly known to you as being effective for years, but, using remote viewing for what we used to call self-help.

Dourif: Self-help. That’s right.

Rense: Self-improvement, whatever. Let’s go into this and how was it that you decided to really begin to plug it into that really necessary portion of our society?

Dourif: Well, Jeff, you know, I forgot to send you my outline of what I was going to talk about.

Rense: Well, I’ll just remote view it. Give me a minute.

Dourif: (Laughs) Actually, I did remote view this show again. Anyway, I did make an outline so I thought that we would start out with an introduction, because I know that you probably have the most educated audience with regards to remote viewing.

Rense: Hey folks, she did not have to remote view that to find it out. She knows. We do have the best audience…

Dourif: No, but I’m sure that you have some new listeners who don’t know what we’re talking about.

Rense: Sure.

Dourif: So I was thinking I should maybe go over a bit of the basics.

Rense: Absolutely… go right ahead. Let’s do that and then..

Dourif: And then get into it. Okay. So, I’d like to begin by stating what remote viewing is and what it is not.

Rense: What it is, and what it is not. That’s always something that, especially folks new to the whole idea, I think need the most help with it. What is it, and what is it not?

Dourif: Okay. Remote viewing, technically, is an attention management skill. And that’s quite a literal definition. But, what it means is that we manage our attention in a very deliberate and structured manner, using only a pen and paper and an alert mind. Remote viewing is not out-of-body experiences, OBEs, it’s not astral traveling, it’s not channeling or a trance and it’s not fortune telling like crystal ball gazing.

Rense: You don’t use a deck of cards here either.

coastDourif: Uh, no. However, you know, we can determine future events. But, that is because this is a trained skill and it must be learned like language. Once learned and applied correctly, we can gather precise information about any person, place, thing or event in the past present or future.

Rense: Did we talk about percentages of accuracy in PSI TECH’s work? Do we make any pledges or promises?

Dourif: Yes. I’d like to get into the mechanics of that in a bit. But first I’d just like to briefly go over the history for your new listeners, who probably don’t know the least bit about what we’re talking about.

Rense: Sure.

“I don’t approve of gurus who put themselves up on pedestals, to have people worshipping them, telling them things that these people now, with this technology, can do for themselves. Why get information second hand when they can get it firsthand? So, ultimately, if enough people learn this, and eventually they will, Jeff, it will change the face of consciousness. And consciousness needs changing. Our world is pretty barbaric. ” – Joni Dourif
Dourif: And so I’ll just go over it real briefly. After a decade of federally funded psi research, meaning P-S-I., the Greek definition for that unexplained part of our mind. For a decade during the seventies there was research and this was before the breakthrough discovery in 1982. In 1982, one of the world’s top physicists, Hal Puthoff, and one of the world’s best natural born psychics, Ingo Swann, discovered a structured set of protocols that were standardized. That means that anybody who could follow directions and learn this structure could become more consistently accurate than the world’s best psychics. That was the big breakthrough and that’s the reason why we’re talking about it today. This discovery was part of the U.S. military and was put to the test throughout the eighties at the cost of one million dollars a year of taxpayers’ money.

Rense: Which is….

Dourif: And only a handful of people..

Rense: Yeah..

Dourif: were actually involved or even knew about it. There were only five people trained by the discoverer himself.

Rense: Only five.

Dourif: Only five. One of the five founded PSI TECH, my company, in 1989. So this is the remote viewing that I’m speaking about. And unfortunately since PSI TECH took it public, many saw an emerging market, so to speak.

Rense: Right.

Dourif: And suddenly, opportunistic marketers started popping up everywhere making claims about remote viewing. Books were written, schools were started and then to add to the confusion, the people involved in the preliminary research program, back in the seventies, before the breakthrough discovery, started marketing a generic nondescript version of remote viewing.

Rense: But that, are you saying Joni that you and PSI TECH have the only method that works and everybody else is a carpet-bagging phony? No, you’re not …

Dourif: No, I’m not quite saying that. But, I suppose if you want to put it bluntly and in a hostile way, people have said that. What I’m saying is that PSI TECH is the only one, well not the only one, there are actually a few others, not as big as PSI TECH, but, who teach the breakthrough discovery which is a standardized structure that anybody can learn.

Rense: Now, hold on. Joni..

Dourif: Well, these other remote viewing nondescript versions have reduced the image of remote viewing to just “anything psychic”.

Rense: Okay, I understand there’s… the line between psychic occurrences and remote viewing is blurry. I understand that.

Dourif: Well, actually that’s what I’m trying to define here. It’s not. And the remote viewing ….

Rense: But for the average listener…

Dourif: …I’m speaking about is the Ingo Swann discovery.

Rense: Right. Okay.

Dourif: Which is a structured method.

Rense: Right.

Dourif: Anybody who can follow the directions and stay within that Structure. It’s a skill and like any skill it has to be learned like a language..

Rense: You say anybody…

Dourif: Now, at one time we could make noises and grunt at each other, but it wasn’t until we learned a language that we could actually communicate in a refined way.

Rense: Okay. You keep saying anybody can do this. Do you, is that, can anybody do it as well as anybody else…. given certain parameters of training.

Dourif: Well, to date, I do believe, I’m sure, that PSI TECH has trained more people than anybody else. And there has not been anybody that we have not been able to train. And I pause for a minute because, actually, there is a type of person that has been less successful learning this, and those are chronic marijuana smokers. But, with the exception of those, yes, everybody has the innate ability, like language. They just need to be taught.

Rense: Attention management.

Dourif: It’s an attention management skill. Yes.

Rense: All right. What about….

Dourif: Well, I guess what makes it so sad, and why I wanted to bring it up, is because it’s very difficult today for those who are really seeking to search this out, to have to weed through all the stories and false claims…

Rense: It’s called free market enterprise, and..

Dourif: That’s right. So, what I want to say is, investigate your teacher and make sure that they themselves can perform it. And, to use a very good metaphor, otherwise you’re listening to a “expert martial artist, who has only read a book, and gone through a few moves, a few times, and is teaching it, but has never experienced fighting.” That is, for the most part, what’s out there. My company PSI TECH began training civilians from all walks of life in 1993. A few years later we came up with a method to put the training on videotape format, to make it available to anyone and everyone who wanted to learn this skill.

Rense: Now you’re saying this is the Ingo Swann basic protocol, put to video.

Dourif: Yes. It’s the very basic protocol. It was very difficult to find a way, it was the first time it was ever put on any sort of training tape, let alone videotape. And remember this is a young technology. Anyway, so, PSI TECH’s mission is to make this available and to put this in the hands of as many people as possible. So, the tapes were made in 1997 and this was a first, and an attempt at a fairly young technology. We watched carefully how many and what types of people could successfully learn this from the videotapes and what we have found, since then is that most of our successful tape trainees were already highly disciplined hard workers with above average intelligence. PSI TECH has gone through many changes in the past year, I guess you Know – people have heard bits and pieces, here and there.

Rense: We’ll concentrate on now and tomorrow. We don’t need to go backwards.

Dourif: Okay. One wonderful thing that just happened; we were just given a very wonderful highly desirable choice piece of land by a very wealthy trust to build a training center for those who seek additional personalized training in conjunction with the tapes. Of course, that’s in the future a bit.

Rense: Did you see that coming? Did you remote view that?

Dourif: Yes we did. Actually, we saw this coming years ago. But we didn’t know where it was going to come from and it was quite surprising. It did just fall in our lap.

Rense: Interesting. Let me ask you…

Dourif: It’s incredible because, I mean it’s a choice piece of land that’s just unheard of to get.

Rense: It’s right next to the White House is it, in Washington D.C.?

Dourif: No, actually it’s on the Hawaiian Islands.

Rense: Well, even prettier then.. All right. Stand by. We have a break..

Dourif: Okay.

Rense: ..and we’ll come right back and talk to Joni some more about PSI TECH and remote viewing and then we’ll work our way into our remote viewing to help all of us maybe make our lives a little bit easier. Be right back.

Rense: Okay. Back with Joni Dourif of PSI TECH. And that is an amazing gift of a piece of land to set up an institute, or a study center on the islands. Um, and you knew this?

Dourif: Well this was something that had come up in our session’s years ago. Actually, mixing up here a little bit, remote viewing as a self-help tool, but, we at PSI TECH have been using TRV as a method by which to optimize our opportunities in the future. There’s something called an Optimum TrajectoryTM that is probably one of the main self-help tools that we learn with this skill. We have targets that we call optimum trajectories. A trajectory is a path. In this case, a life path. We can look at our optimal life paths. I think that just about every PSI TECH graduate has done their own optimum trajectories. I can tell you a few stories about them.

Rense: Sure.. do. Let’s give our listeners an example of some of these things.

Dourif: Okay.

Rense: And again, if I might, Joni, the remote viewing field…

Dourif: Yes.

Rense: As you well know, but for our listeners who don’t know, is acrimonious, to say the least. Everyone seems to think they have their own perfect version of the Ingo’s functional version. I take no position. I’ve had all the greats on the program. I’m just interested in hearing what you and PSI TECH have come up with, and how you want to use it, as you said, for self-help, which we’ve talked about with other remote viewers in the past. So, I just wanted to get that out of the way.

Dourif: Right. Okay, just to make it really clear, PSI TECH’s policy is that there are no “other” methods of remote viewing. There’s the “one” that was discovered by Ingo Swann, which was originally CRV and then evolved into TRV, which is Technical Remote Viewing.

Rense: Sure, I understand.

Dourif: So, that’s the remote viewing I’m speaking of. If anybody else has a different definition of remote viewing, that is not what I’m talking about.

Rense: All right.

Dourif: So, (laughs)…

Rense: On the table, go ahead.

Dourif: …to get that out of the way.

Rense: All right.

Dourif: All of the Technical Remote Viewers use a very rigorous, disciplined, structured protocol in order to download their information. It is standardized and everybody uses the same protocols.

Rense: Give us some examples you mentioned a moment ago.

Dourif: Okay, well, first of all let me say that most people who make it to our doors and learn this, obviously, are on their optimum trajectories. But it appears as though people have, usually three trajectories available to them. One is their optimal, and that of course means that their life is optimized in every way. They’re the happiest they can possibly be. And then there’s another one that is a regular trajectory and that’s actually the one that I think most people are on, where you’re just sort of skating through life and not challenging yourself in ways that you should, not following your dreams. And then, of course, there’s another one that’s worse than that when you get into being terribly self-destructive. I haven’t seen too many people on that one. However, when people come through our course or they learn how to do this, one of the main objectives is to look at their optimum trajectories. So, I can tell stories of a few of our graduates. We had one retired FBI agent who was in our graduate course who I was actually training and he was doing his Optimum TrajectoryTM in the blind. He began describing a man who was in the room, essentially doing what he was doing, and because he was remote viewing and bilocated at the time. And if I need to define that I will. He didn’t realize that he was remote viewing himself. What he got was actually a man having a heart attack. And then there were elements, afterwards, of a gym. He described himself perfectly. He became a wonderful remote viewer by the end of the course. He described his weight, his height, his wife, his kids, the place where they lived, and he still didn’t realize he was remote viewing himself untill he was finished. But, actually he went home and went to the doctor, and sure enough he was going to have a heart attack. He had a blocked artery, and he immediately had that taken care of. So, because he did his Optimum TrajectoryTM , that popped out, as a way that he could change something that was immediate …

Rense: He wouldn’t have known otherwise you’re saying.

Dourif: He would not have known otherwise. He would have had the heart attack.

Rense: All right.

Dourif: And then we have a doctor we trained several years ago..

Rense: An M.D…

Dourif: He was a neurosurgeon.

Rense: Okay. Stand by Joni. We have to have a break. Hold on. We’ll come back in just a minute.

Rense: Okay. We’re back talking to Joni Dourif of PSI TECH, about remote viewing. Now, remember there are a number of different courses and ideas out there. It’s a controversial field. Do your own exploration. We just present one case today, of an interesting book, as it were, of choices to make and things to consider. You have a number of different types of people, highly professional people, executives, down to even high school students, I guess, in the courses, correct?

Dourif: Yes we do. And actually, it’s surprising but, since we began teaching in 1993, most of our trainees and most of the people who came to our doors were aeronautic engineers, medical doctors, law enforcement at the level of the FBI, scientists, not the kind of people that the public would think would be attracted to this kind thing.

Rense: Now, what were they all after? What kind of level of work were they trying to accomplish? Something specific to each of their fields, or something different… something above that?

Dourif: Well, for the most part….. We had some incredible graduates like one who discovered, one of the original methods of operating on eardrums. I mean, something as intricate as that, he wrote the book on it. People like that I think when they read our material or when they hear about it – it resonates, it sounds right, because we approach it and speak about it in more technical terms and specifically about how it’s done, it makes sense to them.

Rense: All right. You said something, you said that a doctor wrote a book on ear surgery,

Dourif: Yes. We have one graduate who had written a book on ear surgery. It’s maybe about ten years old now but he was one of our more recent…

Rense: But through attention management, he was able. You said, you used the word discover, but in a way, remote viewing is only discerning that which already is. If I’m not mistaken. And he was able to see his way to write the book with this..

Dourif: No, no. He actually came learned remote viewing after he wrote the book.

Rense: Ah..

Dourif: Yeah. He had already written the book. A very accomplished man, highly intelligent. Usually people who come up with new ideas like that are trying new things and when they hear this, they know there’s something to it.

Rense: They’re creative, yes.

Dourif: And the doctor that I was actually mentioning before you took the break was a neurosurgeon who we trained.

Rense: Still is, I imagine.

Dourif: Yes. He’s in a little bit of a different circumstance. We trained him in 1995 and he did his Optimum TrajectoryTM and he actually saw himself. Now, he was in the blind, I was monitoring him because it was his last day in the course. He saw himself alone. and he was married and they had a child, and they had been married quite a while. He was expecting to stay married. but in his Optimum TrajectoryTM he saw himself alone. And alone for quite a while living in one of his country homes. We went into the out years, further out to see what was going to happen and he perceived himself with some kind of a high-tech device and a rather youngish Asian woman, quite happy.

Rense: All right.

Dourif: I went to visit him last year and he has retired from being an active neurosurgeon, I mean he still goes on emergencies there. He’s been a neurosurgeon for over twenty years. But he actually is working with Medtronics on a new cutting edge medical device and he’s about to get married to a very beautiful youngish Japanese woman.

Rense: Now is this..

Dourif: I mean, his Optimum TrajectoryTM played out perfectly. He still has it, you know.

Rense: Yeah. The doubters, the skeptics would say, the obvious, self-fulfilling wishes.

Dourif: Well, the problem was, while he was remote viewing it, he did not know he was remote viewing himself. He had no idea. When he was finished with the session, then he saw the cue and he saw it was his name and Optimum TrajectoryTM .

Rense: All right.

Dourif: Another, I guess more dramatic story, and this doesn’t involve a remote viewer, but it involves a person who utilized remote viewing to activate their Optimum TrajectoryTM . His story is really quite dramatic and funny. We had this friend who was an architect, many years ago, in Beverly Hills. He got divorced from his wife and his family owned a piece of land in the Hawaiian Islands – a very beautiful piece of land and there was only a shack on the land. He went there to kind of drop out and he had no money…

Rense: Sounds like a good place to drop out. He had no money.

Dourif: He had no money. He went fishing for food. Myself and my remote viewing partner at the time used to stay with him. He would invite people to stay with him just so we would pay for dinner.

Rense: All right. An opportunist. All right. Stand by. We’ll be right back and hear the rest of this story. We talked a little bit about remote viewing as it is practiced and applied with the PSI TECH organization. Be right back.

Rense: (Commercial for a cell phone protection system) Okay right back and let’s go back to Joni Dourif and hear the rest of this story about Hawaii and the man who was inviting you over so he could get a dinner.

Dourif: Did I say that?

Rense: I think you did.

Dourif: (Laughs) I thought you just offered me a ray-wave telephone. (Laughs)

Rense: Rayaway.

Dourif: Cell phone…

Rense: And it’s a little.. it’s a neat little two piece…

Dourif: You know, I like the sounds of that. It actually reminds me of another thing that we can do with Technical Remote Viewing as a self help tool, is that we can look at illnesses or diseases or just physical irritations and look at their source or their cause / treatment. I can tell you a couple stories about that. But let me just finish the one about David, the man who was living in his shack on his family land and had essentially dropped out and given up – didn’t know what to do. His land was so beautiful that we used to go stay there and one of the times we said, “You know this is an intelligent guy. Let’s go remote view his Optimum Trajectory / Career.” So, we told him what we were going to do. He didn’t really understand it, but he said “okay”, So, each of us off into separate rooms and remote viewed it separately and then we came back and compared our sessions. The analysis, the outcome of our sessions was, “tree house,” just “tree house.” We were looking at each other going, “tree house?” We’re going to tell him… okay, so, you know, you take what you get. The Collective Unconscious knows more than us. So, we went to David and we said, “David, this is what we got: Tree House.” The next morning, he was up at 5:00 AM building his first tree house. That was only two and a half years ago. Right now that same piece of property has about six tree houses on it. He runs a little tree house resort.

Rense: (Laughs)

Dourif: It is constantly filled up. He never has vacancies. Plus, now, he’s been invited to Hainon in China where he’s in the middle of building a tree house theme park.

Rense: How fun.

Dourif: This was just incredible. Something that simple resonated with him. Of course, him being an architect in the past, after we did the sessions and then we saw him out there building the first tree house we realized, well of course. But, you know, we wouldn’t have thought of that and he hadn’t thought of it either. But it certainly did kick his life into optimal mode and he’s having a great time of his life. He’s being wined and dined by politicians of different countries and Last I heard he’s opening another resort in Vietnam. We’re going to get him to build tree houses on our training resort so our trainees can stay in a few.

Rense: I think that’s a good idea.

Dourif: That would be pretty nice, huh?

Rense: Everybody loves a tree house.

Dourif: Well, you know, the nice thing about it is, is before David was filled up constantly, I used to take my cyber kids, I call them my cyber kids, actually my cyber employees who are just constantly sitting at computers, and I used to go dump them in the tree house, for a few nights, where there’s no electricity. (laughs)

Rense: What kind of trees do they put in these… are they pretty big?

Dourif: Some are big. He makes several level ones, some of them are quite fancy and others aren’t as fancy, but very comfortable and cute.

Rense: That’s a fun idea. He’s on to it. You got it.

Dourif: Yeah. So he’s one of our more dramatic stories and most of the people who make it to our doors, like I said are already on their optimum trajectories. So when they do their Optimum TrajectoryTM it’s just like a slight thing that they have to change. This is something I do for myself on a monthly and often times weekly basis. I even do it before every radio show.

Rense: All right. Tell me about that. What did you do and what did you come up with for this program?

Dourif: Actually it surprised me. Where is it, let’s see I think I have it right here.

Rense: Look under “r” for radio. It’s there.

Dourif: Huh?

Rense: Look under “r” for radio.

Dourif: (Laughs)

Rense: By the way, Mercury is going retrograde tomorrow.

Dourif: Well, I cued it, I cued it, let’s see, Jeff Rense Show, here it is…

Rense: Did you know, Joni, that Mercury’s going retro?

Dourif: Yeah?

Rense: Does that have any affect on RV, TRV?

Dourif: No. Not at all.

Rense: All right.

Dourif: Not that I know of. I mean, it certainly has never affected me.

Rense: What did you come up with?

Dourif: Well, first of all I cued it, “Optimal sub topic,” okay, because obviously the topic is remote viewing, “Jeff Rense Radio Show/Tonight.” And of course I got the obvious things in the beginning, of remote viewing and, the skill of it, a little bit about what I already talked about, but you didn’t want to talk about very much. And then, surprisingly, I got the idea of love and death. Then after I thought about it a while, because I did this earlier in the day, I said, “Oh, of course.” You know I’m talking about this as a self-help tool and that’s really what people want. That’s what we have found, from the people who would come to us and go through the course or learn from tapes. One of the most popular subjects is that they want to find their optimal mates. The single ones, anyway.

Rense: Always…

Dourif: Well, yeah, that’s a very popular one. So, in the remote viewing session that I did about the radio show tonight it popped up that love and death were the two most significant topics to bring up tonight. During the session I re-cued it, ‘most significant sub topics’ and up popped love and death. So, let me tell you about an optimal mate experience.

Rense: Okay. Optimal what?

Dourif: Optimal mate.

Rense: All right.

Dourif: And this is one that I did for myself. I discovered myself unexpectedly single over a year ago.

Rense: I could have told you if you’d just called me.

Dourif: (Laughs) Really?

Rense: Oh, just, having a little fun. Go on.

Dourif: (Laughs)

Rense: I’m not a remote viewer.

Dourif: (Laughs) Okay. So, anyway, I was unexpectedly single and I decided, after I got over being upset about it, to sit down and remote view that maybe that person, who I was with, was not my optimal mate. So I sat down and did it. When you become a professional, and you’ve done it for years and years and years, it’s like martial arts. It’s a skill. So, we can do front loaded sessions.

Rense: I was going to ask you about that.

Dourif: But it takes a long time to be able to do it.

Rense: They say that’s the kiss of death, you can’t do that.

Dourif: That’s not the case at all. See, this is where we differ from what other people say. And Jeff, it’s not enough just to be a remote viewer, it’s not enough to have learned remote viewing. What really makes a remote viewer, because it’s a skill, is somebody who remote views every day. If you’ve learned remote viewing ten years ago, and you haven’t remote viewed in two years, you really aren’t going to up on your skill. I mean, this really is like martial arts.

Rense: All right. That’s a point that’s been made. And again, I’ve had all the greats on over the years, just about all of them and over and over again that’s the issue – it is a discipline.

Dourif: Yes, it is.

Rense: All right. Go ahead.

Dourif: And it’s a discipline that must be practiced. So, I’m a practioner because PSI TECH is a corporation that thrives on remote viewing as a business. This is not a side business for us. It’s not a hobby. It’s not something we do on the side. This is what we do — every day.

Rense: All right. Go ahead.

Dourif: So, we can do front loaded sessions quite effectively. So, I sat down to do my optimal mate and one popped up.

Rense: When you say one popped up, did you get a name, did you get a description?

Dourif: A man popped up and I was very surprised.

Rense: But what did you get? Did you get a description, did you get an image?

Dourif: Yes. I got a man living in a castle type place across the ocean with horses around his castle.

Rense: All right.

Dourif: And it was just too unbelievable.

Rense: Did you get his phone number?

Dourif: (Laughs) No, not in the first session. No I didn’t. He was about my age. I mean just like the perfect prince or knight in shining armor. I couldn’t believe it. I thought this can’t be. So, I ended up tasking it out as a blind target to some of my professional remote viewers and our PSI TECH trainees who have become quite proficient. They all came up with the same thing and I became somewhat obsessed with this…

Rense: They weren’t front loaded. That was all blind targeting.

Dourif: Yes. All blind targeting. They all came up with the same thing. They described this man as being in a similar type of business that PSI TECH was in, which drove me crazy because I couldn’t think of who it would be. I mean, if he was in my business, I should know him. And there was nobody who fit that description… and across the water, in a castle! I was thinking he must be in Ireland, or England or something – I was in Hawaii at the time.,

Rense: All right. You know what, hold on Joni. We have a break coming up. Let’s let this second half of the story stand by until we get the break out, so we don’t have to interrupt and we’ll hear about the man in the castle with horses – the knight in shining armor.

Dourif: (Laughs)

Rense: That Joni actually.. using the staff to help the boss find a mate is a little suspect, but if you got ’em you might as well.

Dourif: (Laughs)

Rense: All right. Stand by. And, every experience Joni, so, whether you end up in divorce or stay happily married is potentially a positive experience, is it not? Okay. All right. Be right back in just a couple minutes. Don’t forget the web site at R E N S E, Rense dot com. Be back.

Rense: And we are back. I’m Jeff Rense talking with Joni Dourif. Joni I mentioned one thing before we went but we ran out of time.

Dourif: Right.

Rense: In remote viewing when you look back at your life we don’t necessarily try to do that that much. We try to look forward, I guess. But, you talk about optimum trajectories. Everybody makes mistakes. Everybody has, well, what they think are mistakes. But isn’t it true that most everything can be used to your advantage if you are willing to learn from things? Even the painful things in life?

Dourif: Absolutely. Yes. Absolutely!

Rense: I mean, you went through a divorce, and many of our listeners have been through heartache and divorce. That’s just sort of a human condition, anymore. But do you teach people to try to use those things to their benefit, as well, in your training?

Dourif: We teach them how to do it. Yes. and of course I did use it during that time. I would actually remote view every week. Joni/Optimum Trajectory/Next Seven Days. just so that I would have some guidance on what choices to make and where to go because sometimes, the week that I TRV’ed in advance, would portray me off alone in one of my places where I needed to be for that week for the optimal events to present themselves.

Rense: Ahhuh, okay.

Dourif: So, I really did rely on it heavily during that year. After the first few months of tasking out the remote viewers on my optimal mate and I ended up sketching his face, I just kind of threw everything aside and said, “I don’t know this person.” and so, I didn’t pay attention to it. During that year, I had this company who had been calling me and they were persistent. It was one of the larger self-help companies in the nation. I finally got on a plane to go meet the owner of the company and got off the plane – there he was. (Laughs)

Rense: What was he doing?

Dourif: (Laughs)

Rense: He wasn’t handling baggage…

Dourif: He was standing there with the face that I had sketched. (Laughing)

Rense: What was he… wait a minute. What was he doing staying there with the face that you had sketched?

Dourif: Well, he was the one.

Rense: Was he looking for you?

Dourif: Um…

Rense: Or was he looking for someone..

Dourif: He’s highly intuitive. He knew something was up but I don’t think he knew the details to the degree that I knew, at that moment.

Rense: He went to..

Dourif: And when I saw his face I nearly fainted because, actually, in one of my sessions I had cued it specifically First Meeting Place. And I had myself in an airport getting off a plane and I thought, “this doesn’t make sense.” That was a year prior, so, I couldn’t put all the pieces together enough so I just tossed it aside. But sure enough, everything panned out exactly how the sessions had portrayed it. So that’s the person and when I say optimal, I mean OPTIMAL in every way.

Rense: What was he doing at the airport though?

Dourif: He was picking me up. I was coming to meet him because when the former co-owner wanted to sell out his shares this was one of the people who wanted to buy the 50% of the shares.

Rense: Oh, I get it.

Dourif: So I was coming to meet him.

Rense: I see. But, having no idea that this was the guy you had sketched.

Dourif: I knew about the history of this company. I didn’t know that     much about him except from talking to him on the phone but when I saw his face, there was no doubt.

Rense: What did you say to him?

Dourif: I didn’t say anything (laughs) at first.

Rense: You didn’t say, “This is your lucky day, pal?”

Dourif: (Laughs) I was pretty shocked, yeah, and, then over the course of the next few weeks everything sort of came out.

Rense: Well, that’s a nice story.

Dourif: Yeah, it’s a pretty incredible story. I’m about to get married to him and it’s so wonderful – when I say optimal, I really mean optimal because this is my dream come true. I always wanted to have a business partner who was also my husband. I know that’s one of the hardest things to tackle in life, but it’s something that I always thought I could have. I never wanted the life where I would come home to my husband and we would sit at the table, having been in different places for the whole day and say, “Oh, well how was your day, Dear?” That just never appealed to me. So, this..

Rense: All right, optimal…

Dourif: …ended up being ideal. It’s almost too good to be true. Sometimes I have to pinch myself.

Rense: Okay. Well that’s all right. Optimal, now tell me about Optimal TrajectoryTM . Is this to suggest there are multiple potentials out there and you need to be able to focus in on the best one for you, and…

Dourif: Yes.

Rense: …if so, if so, how can people forward view if there are that many multiple or infinite potentials out there?

Dourif: Well, they precisely cue their target, “Optimal.” If it’s a person who is at a fairly intermediate level, and they don’t feel like they can do front loaded sessions yet, they could just build a pool of blind targets and throw it in there as one of the blind targets, so, they would be doing it in the blind. And, yes, you can do optimal health. I have a few stories about some remote viewers who have looked at certain health problems that they had and remote viewed it and were able to find the cures..

Rense: All right…

Dourif: …things that doctors just never would have thought of.

Rense: Let me go back now for our listeners who don’t know much about this. You’re hearing some remarkable personal stories and how this tool, remote viewing, and again I want to say, this program does not endorse any particular protocol..

Dourif: Okay, we heard. (laughs)

Rense: We’re presenting all of them. What’s that?

Dourif: We heard. (laughs)

Rense: You’re here.

Dourif: I said, “We heard your endorsement.” (laughing)

Rense: You’re listening.

Dourif: Or your un-endorsement, I’m not sure what it was it. (laughing)

Rense: No. You are on the program and we’re hearing all about TRV with PSI TECH.

Dourif: Yeah. (Laughing)

Rense: And that’s what we do here. We bring a lot of different views, as you know. But what we’re not hearing, I think, what people are saying to themselves, perhaps, is, how do they do it? How does Joni sit down and view this Optimum TrajectoryTM ? How much time does it take? What is she.. give me some ideas, Joni, please, of how we do this, how you do this?

Dourif: Okay. It’s a step-by-step process. It’s a highly structured technique that normally takes forty-five minutes to perform. It takes a person, a pen, and a stack of white paper and practice. They just need to be able to follow directions. When we train people here, we train them to go through the protocols very quickly, so that we are actually installing the skills into their autonomic system so that their body is really just going from one stage to the next quickly.

Rense: Okay.

Dourif: So that they don’t have to think about what to do next. When you get to that point you can really start..

Rense: Because it’s a reflex…

Dourif: ….getting some good remote viewing data. It’s something that we do very quickly. It just really takes some determination to learn it. Now, what I wanted to mention before, is, another thing besides acquiring this incredible piece of land, from this trust. The thing that we are doing right here in Seattle, is making a new set of TRV Training tapes, because the old set of tapes that we made, we have found over the years that the people who are most successful in learning with those tapes were people who were already pretty familiar with RV and they were people who were so damn determined that they were going to learn it no matter what and most were above average intelligence. This bothers me, so, yes we have a great group of TRVers, but our mission, remember, is to get this in the hands of as many people as possible, regardless of their IQ. So, we are using the cutting edge technology of this larger self-help company that has merged with us. We are making a lay version of a more precise and concise step-by-step learning process so that any person can learn this but now in smaller bits and pieces without really having to understand how it works. Some people don’t really care to understand the theory or how it works. They just want to do it. So they will have the opportunity to just learn it, simply. We are in the process of making them now. They are geared specifically for those people who aren’t so rigorous, who really don’t care how it works but they want to be able to do it.

Rense: All right, that’s a very good story.

Dourif: Well, that’s not a story. That’s just what we’re doing.

Rense: I’m just harking back to your story. I’m still letting that resonate in my head.

Dourif: Oh, you mean my optimum mate.

Rense: Yeah.

Dourif: (Laughs)

Rense: Now does this, is this something that happens with many of your graduates. They’re able to, you’re talking, we’re talking self-help tonight, talking finding our way through the maze, now this is something that is not uncommon… success stories like this?

Dourif: Not uncommon at all. No. In fact, there’s a small group of TRV trainees who have been receiving the free technical support that we provide on our web site for four or five years now. There’s a group that has been meeting there for four and five years. This is what they do with it mostly. With the exception, of course, helping others, find missing pets, missing children at times and missing items. But they mainly use it for self-improvement. When I tasked out my personal optimum mate session, it was very encouraging for them because they took part in it. They actually remote viewed it in the blind, themselves and they’re still around a year later to see how it happened.

Rense: That must be…

Dourif: It’s incredible.

Rense: Yeah. Yeah, I’m sure.

Dourif: And,

Rense: Are you going to have a big wedding?

Dourif: No. Quiet. Nobody around.

Rense: Well, you have to invite the staff. Now, come on.

Dourif: Well,

Rense: They were involved in this remember?

Dourif: Yeah, well, we’ll celebrate on the internet.

Rense: There you go…

Dourif: (Laughs)

Rense: All right. Stand by.

Dourif: Okay.

Rense: We’ll come right back with Joni Dourif and PSI TECH.

Rense: All right. We’re back with Joni and talking about remote viewing. You mentioned finding lost things, finding pets. We’ve talked about this for many years, with lots of remote viewers. How practical a tool is that, as your graduates have come back and affirmed to you after finishing the course.

Dourif: Well, the tape trainees are continually learning, but, when they get to the advanced stages, many have reported that they found their missing keys. I have several times too. I have teenage daughters. Sometimes when I didn’t know where they were at night. I wanted to know if they were lying to me. I could remote view where they were.

Rense: They had to know that Mom had this ability.

Dourif: Oh yes. (Laughs)

Rense: They had to give it up.. didn’t they sort of give it up and be honest with you after a while?

Dourif: Yeah. Absolutely, and all their friends know too.

Rense: Funny.

Dourif: But anyway. I wanted to mention this because somebody asked me the other night about how you can tell. an experienced remote viewer from a not so experienced remote viewer. Experienced remote viewers tend to speak in specifics because, remote viewing is a very site specific tool. Meaning, that when we grab information it’s in small bits and pieces. It’s as though we’re looking at our target through a telescope. So we’re only seeing a small radius of it. Which I can get into why some of the future predictions of some of the other known remote viewers have not come to pass. It was because that particular remote viewer forgot that he was looking with a telescope, so, that the event that he was looking at looked much larger than it really was.

Rense: Okay.

Dourif: And he jumped to conclusions. But the way to tell an experienced remote viewer from a not so experienced one is the experienced ones tend to speak in specifics. Some people find this very frustrating, like one who asked me the other day. We were talking about death and passing over to the side and he asked, “Do we take our shortcomings with us when we die or pass over to the other side?” And I had to ask, “What shortcomings?” And he said in a frustrated manner, “Well I have so many, I can’t list them all.” I couldn’t answer his question because after having remote viewed so many people in my life, what is a shortcoming for one, is not for another. That’s one thing we learn very quickly when we begin remote viewing people, especially. We have consistencies, of course, but our make-ups, our psyches, our purposes are very unique. None of us are the same. Anyway, so having remote viewed so many people passing over and in other situations I was able to tell him what the consistencies are because that is something we are able to generalize about. That was a PSI TECH project for quite a while. The way we tackled that project was, we tasked ourselves and many of our professional remote viewers against the death or passing over experience, I prefer to call it. It seemed like the same thing happened to say one extreme to the Other, the same thing happened for Mother Teresa, as it did for Adolph Hitler. There wasn’t one passing over that was different in all of the people that we remote viewed in that experience. So, what I was able to tell him, was, that there are two angels that appear right before that moment of passing over. And it appears as though one is responsible for transporting our memory – now that’s our memory on Earth, here. And the other one is responsible for transporting something that we determined to be the soul. We can’t know for sure that’s what it was, but that’s what we determined it was. And, they take it to another place and put it in another type of body. We as remote viewers are able to perceive ourselves in this other place because of the emotional impact.

Rense: Right.

Dourif: But we’re not able to ascertain exactly what that body is because it’s so different. It’s not in our thesaurus.

Rense: Got it. All right, stand by. Very interesting. I’m Jeff Rense. Glad you’re here. And we are here six days a week, three hours a night, eighty hours a month, believe it or not. Coast to coast on radio stations and of course in the internet as well, worldwide. All the programs available in archives going all the way back to 1997, thousands of them. And you can hear them any time at all. Just hop online…

Rense: Okay. Welcome back. Talking to Joni Dourif about PSI TECH and remote viewing. This parcel of land that you’ve been somehow granted for use in Hawaii….

Dourif: A trust was given it to us.

Rense: It’s a done deal.

Dourif: Yes. It’s a done deal.

Rense: And you’re going to have…

Dourif: We’re pretty amazed.

Rense: Well, I know. And you are… I can remote, watch… Jeff is going to remote view this now. I see.. wait a minute..

Dourif: Jeff, you haven’t learned how to remote view.

Rense: I see…

Dourif: I don’t even think you have our tapes. (Laughs)

Rense: I see, wait a minute… I see tree houses on your Hawaiian property.

Dourif: (Laughs) I told you that. (Laughs) Well, now I know you were listening.

Rense: Of course, I’m listening…

Dourif: (Laughs) Okay.

Rense: The guy’s gonna come build some tree houses on your estate. I predict.

Dourif: That’s the idea.

Rense: See?

Dourif: I would like that.

Rense: Gotta have fun with this.

Dourif: Oh absolutely.

Rense: Tired of all this..

Dourif: It’s not fun it’s…. I have the best job in the world.

Rense: Right. And remember this, as I always say. There’s room for everyone.

Dourif: Yes. And there’s a place for everyone.

Rense: All right. Next…

Dourif: (Laughs) Well, actually I’ve been neglectful of giving out our 88 hundred number.

Rense: Can’t make any money unless you tell them how to get in touch with you.

Dourif: This is just for information kits unless they want our older set of tapes. Well, they’re not older, but our more advanced set of tapes for people who already know a lot about remote viewing. But for people who don’t, and need a simpler way to learn it, a more Concise set will be out in a few weeks. The number to call to get a free information kit about that, is 1-888-242-4245.

Rense: You said that with an interesting little lilt in your voice.

Dourif: Well, I was reading it.

Rense: Say that again.

Dourif: 1-888-242-4245.

Rense: See?

Dourif: What?

Rense: No.. we were that young… there’s a young impish sort of fun happy tone in that way you said that…

Dourif: (Laughs) Well, I am having fun.

Rense: All right.

Dourif: I’m having fun.

Rense: Trying to do that.. I’m just very interested in this new property in Hawaii. You gonna have that up on your web site, pictures of it?

Dourif: Umm.. I don’t know yet. Probably. I mean eventually, sure.

Rense: Want me to remote view that for you? I predict there will be pictures up there at some point. I see them now.

Dourif: (Laughs) Now, why are you so interested in this?

Rense: I just think it’s a wonderful thing.

Dourif: Yeah, it really is. Our benefactor is an incredible person. We were just so blessed. This company, actually, with all the bad rap, that you hear about us, and that’s really a very very small community. Remote viewing is still a very young industry. It hasn’t really broken out to the public yet, but, for the most part we’ve had 99% success. We’ve been extremely blessed and very successful.

Rense: How many graduates, now, or how many….

Dourif: I couldn’t even count any more.

Rense: All right. If it’s a priority, secure number I don’t want to know, but, just curious…

Dourif: Well, I mean, let me put it this way. We’re a multimillion-dollar company. We’re not a poor company.

Rense: That’s more money than I have.

Dourif: (Laughs) Well it’s the company, dear.

Rense: All right. So, the point is, though, is that…

Dourif: We have a lot of expenses.

Rense: Yes, I know. The number of people interested in the field continues to grow.

Dourif: Yes it does. And I intend to make it grow even more. I know you’re very careful about protecting the other remote viewers and…

Rense: This is an equal opportunity….

Dourif: And I’m not out to offend anybody and I’m not out to discount anybody…

Rense: Right. Good.

Dourif: ….either. But it is true, that I do say, that PSI TECH is the best. We do teach the one structured standardized method that anybody can learn. We’re not talking about the same kind of remote viewing that many of those people are talking about. There really was only a handful of people who were trained in the breakthrough discovery that Ingo Swann and Hal Puthoff discovered in 1983. Anything prior to 1983 was research and that was nothing new. Before the breakthrough discovery there was nothing to talk about. They hadn’t really come up with anything viable yet.

Rense: That’s here in the United States. You’re not talking about the Russians may or may not have done, in the sixties.

Dourif: The Russians really didn’t do that much. The Russians screened about a million people to find six of their best psychics. And the psychics worked together, but they did not come up with..

Rense: The technique….

Dourif: ..with what Ingo Swann discovered.

Rense: They didn’t come up with the technique, the protocols.

Dourif: No.

Rense: All right. Hold on.

Dourif: It’s an innate ability. It’s our birthright and everybody should have the opportunity to learn it.

Rense: I agree with you. We’ll be right back. And by the way, for those of you out there who are Ingo Swann fans, several wonderful interviews with Ingo are in the archives. I’ll have Ingo Back again, hopefully soon. Be right back.

Rense: Okay back. Our remaining segment tonight on remote viewing. We’re looking at it through the eyes and mind of Joni Dourif, the driving force behind PSI TECH. And, one segment left Joni. What do you want to talk about this segment?

Dourif: Well, what I’d like to talk about is our mission and the overall Vision and why I have such an undying passion and drive to bring this to the hands of everybody. Ultimately, if everybody is able to do this, there will be no more secrets. There will be no more frauds. There will be no more second hand information. I don’t approve of gurus who put themselves up on pedestals, to have people worshipping them, telling them things that these people now, with this technology, can do for themselves. Why get information second hand when they can get it firsthand? So, ultimately, if enough people learn this, and eventually they will, Jeff, it will change the face of consciousness. And consciousness needs changing. Our world is pretty barbaric.

Rense: Well, it’s going going, almost gone. And if it doesn’t change soon it will probably…

Dourif: That’s right.

Rense: I remember, years ago, seven years ago? Talking with Ed May about this very same sort of thing and so many others, through the years. And you’re right. It’s the kind of thing that has such potential. That may be why the government claims they’re no longer interested in it, officially. What is your read on that? Every time I have someone on from the remote viewing world, we talk about that. The government officially is out of the business, and yet the whispers continue that gee, every, probably every major military branch and intel agency has its own….

Dourif: No. They don’t. That’s not true at all..

Rense: All right…

Dourif: There is one remote viewer who is left and he was only partially trained and he is not even in a program that, where he would use remote viewing. He transferred to another department.

Rense: Why Joni, in your view, is there nothing left within the government or military?

Dourif: There’s no remote viewing left in the government.

Rense: All right. That’s what I mean. Why? If it worked and it worked very well…

Dourif: Because hey have the capability here. Why should they fund it in house when they have it here?

Rense: So just farming it out?

Dourif: They come to us when they need something done.

Rense: Okay. That’s what I’m saying. They’re farming the work out to independent contractors.

Dourif: Right. Absolutely.

Rense: Okay.

Dourif: And as far as I know we’re the only ones who get that work.

Rense: What about the rumors of the Chinese are allegedly combing through their populace and trying to pool together a large number of people who have psi abilities that they can focus and train?

Dourif: I’m sure the Chinese are trying to do that but as far as I know, and I do know one very high level Chinese person who’s a member of the royal family, who we trained, who tells me that there is no remote viewing there. She would like to see it there, but that it doesn’t exist. Although, I don’t know. The Chinese are very secretive and they’re very inventive as we know. So, perhaps they are, but Jeff, like I said, this can only improve things. It can only make things better. You see, you can start out with the idea of spying to do harm, but what ends up happening is personal, The more you immerse yourself into that Matrix or Collective Unconscious, the more your own personal horizons open up and you see how much more is available to you. You realize how small your little world and your view was and how little you really know. I mean, this whole entire universe, an immense body of knowledge is available to you. Do you really think that they’re going to be that interested in their original spying purposes? They’re not. That’s what happens so, that’s what will happen. So, let them go ahead and learn it.

Rense: All right. All right. Well, we’ll see. It’s interesting and we’ve discussed that in the past. You’re right. It’s good that you brought it up again. No more secrets. But the way we find out, and for those newcomers, that remote viewing works, is through validations. You’ve got to be able to validate the results.

Dourif: Right. And of course, and this goes back to the problem of there not being that many experienced professional remote viewers to demonstrate that. There really are only a small handful who do this often enough to be able to validate their outcome. So what I tell people to do, is get one of our preliminary tapes and do it for themselves. Prove it to themselves. Most people when they get our tapes and do it, on the first day they’ve already proved it to themselves that it’s possible and they can do it. Now, what is hard to drill into their minds, because psychic functioning for so long, has been this generic, “lay back, tell me what you see idea,” is that, this really is a skill. And like language or martial arts, it’s something that needs to be learned and then practiced. If a remote viewing has just learned it and they’re not practicing it. I don’t want to be taught by that kind of person. I don’t want to be taught by the kind of person who read a book and then claims they can do it. I want to be taught by a martial artist who knows how to fight.

Rense: What about graduate support, post graduate support from PSI TECH?

Dourif: We have technical support that we provide on our web site. It’s pretty active with quite a few loyal people. We have a chat room that has a group of people from all over the world who have been meeting there… remote viewers who have kind of grown and evolved together. Literally from all over the world, Canada, Portugal, Australia, England, Sweden. They come there on a regular basis to discuss each other’s training and targets and feedback and progress. Then some post. We have a TRV training conference room where they can post their sessions. I give them blind targets every week. This week was the Dean Kaden’s “Ginger /IT” invention. So now we’re all looking at each others’ sessions. The sessions are posted and we’re analyzing them.

Rense: What are we getting? Can you give me a….

Dourif: I haven’t done the analysis yet because I just posted the cue tonight so, I need to look at all of them and do the analysis. But, they all seem to have very similar data.

Rense: All right.

Dourif: Interesting. What do you think it is?

Rense: I think it’s a lot of hype for something that will not be as Earthshaking as so many people are leaping to embrace.

Dourif: Oh I think so too.

Rense: It’s not a free energy machine that’s going to take the oil money away from the greedy oligarchs who are running the planet. It’s nothing like that. It’s something else.

Dourif: Yeah. It looks interesting though.

Rense: It’s an interesting device.

Dourif: Yeah.

Rense: It will be a lot of fun for some people, perhaps. I don’t know. The web site is available by clicking right below Joni’s name in my guest section at the top of my home site at You can go there and take a look around. Handsome site. Good looking site.

Dourif: Oh thank you.

Rense: Yeah, let me take a look now with you at the world as you may have been viewing it or as some of your staff have been viewing it. We’ve got the Middle East. We have a new president. Give me some international information if you can. What you expect, what you’ve remote viewed for the Middle East.

Dourif: Well, like I said, remote viewing an extremely site-specific tool. So, when we remote view, we’re getting bits and pieces of data. But over all, what I can say is that the future doesn’t look great. I mean, it’s not getting better, but then, it doesn’t take a remote viewer to figure that out. It just takes people opening their eyes to look around.

Rense: Are you seeing bits and pieces of widespread war in the area?

Dourif: Yeah. Well, turmoil. I’m not so sure if it’s going to be war or famine or environmental disaster or all of the above. You know, certainly the Earth’s water supply is a real concern. The ozone hole opening at a very rapid rate. That’s a real concern that isn’t talked about.

Rense: The latest word on that is that they expect it to be completely closed now, within fifty years.

Dourif: Oh right. Who says that, some oil company?

Rense: No. It’s up on the web site. There are some scientists who study it and they say the indications are it is closing. So, it’s like global warming. There are arguments going back and forth on both sides.

Dourif: Well, fish are dying and birds are disappearing mysteriously.

Rense: Oh, we can’t pump so many chemicals, poisons and toxins into the environment and expect that not to happen.

Dourif: No. But then we’ve turned our home into a toilet bowl.

Rense: It’s a very delicate bal… of course.

Dourif: If you take a boat across the Pacific, say, from Canada to Hawaii, what you see is garbage.

Rense: Do you really?

Dourif: Littered all over the ocean from the cruisers that just dump.

Rense: Mother nature is going to flush the toilet at some point, I think.

Dourif: Well, yeah. What is that old commercial, I don’t want to give away my age here, but there used to be a commercial it was like, “Don’t fool with Mother Nature..”

Rense: Sure.

Dourif: Yeah.

Rense: I remember that woman.

Dourif: (Laughs) Well, the Earth is a living-breathing thing and it can only take so much.

Rense: I think it’s taken as much as it’s going to take. And I think we’re beginning to see all sorts of indications that it’s starting to fight back now.

Dourif: Yes and you know, we’re seeing the younger generation, the kids, the teenagers in their early twenties already know this. There are a lot of kids in the new generation who are declaring themselves vegetarians at very young ages. It’s happening all over – and their parents are carnivorous, so, you know, it is consciousness. I’m telling you, this (TRV) will change the face of consciousness and when the face of consciousness is changed, it will just kick in.

Rense: All right. Let’s do the numbers one more time.

Dourif: The numbers. Okay. I better be good here. 1-888-242-4245.

Rense: All right. That’s 888, toll free, 242-4245. Right.

Dourif: You said it much better than I.

Rense: That will get… I don’t have as nice of a voice though. That’ll get general information and information on the new tapes as well. Correct?

Dourif: Right.

Rense: Okay. And the web site is up twenty-four hours a day. Can anybody get into the chat room there?

Dourif: Yes they can. And as long as they behave themselves they’ll be able to stay.

Rense: Ah yes. There are protocols for everything.

Dourif: (Laughs) Yeah.

Rense: All right. Running out of time. One more time, the phone number is 888-242-4245. Thanks Joni for the update on PSI TECH.

Dourif: Thank you Jeff.

Rense: Let me know when the pictures of the property and the tree houses go up there.

Dourif: Oh, you want to come and be the first guest?

Rense: I just want to see the pictures, at least.

Dourif: Okay.

Rense: All right. Thanks a lot.

Dourif: Okay. Thanks Jeff.

Rense: Take care.

Dourif: Bye-bye.

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CIA-Initiated Remote Viewing At Stanford Research Institute

Abstract – In July 1995 the CIA declassified, and approved for release, documents revealing its sponsorship in the 1970s of a program at Stanford Research Institute in Menlo Park, CA, to determine whether such phenomena as remote viewing “might have any utility for intelligence collection” [1]. Thus began disclosure to the public of a two-decade-plus involvement of the intelligence community in the investigation of so-called parapsychological or psi phenomena. Presented here by the program’s Founder and first Director (1972 – 1985) is the early history of the program, including discussion of some of the first, now declassified, results that drove early interest.


On April 17, 1995, President Clinton issued Executive Order Nr. 1995-4-17, entitled Classified National Security Information. Although in one sense the order simply reaffirmed much of what has been long-standing policy, in another sense there was a clear shift toward more openness. In the opening paragraph, for example, we read: “In recent years, however, dramatic changes have altered, although not eliminated, the national security threats that we confront. These changes provide a greater opportunity to emphasize our commitment to open Government.” In the Classification Standards section of the Order this commitment is operationalized by phrases such as “If there is significant doubt about the need to classify information, it shall not be classified.” Later in the document, in reference to information that requires continued protection, there even appears the remarkable phrase “In some exceptional cases, however, the need to protect such information may be outweighed by the public interest in disclosure of the information, and in these cases the information should be declassified.”

A major fallout of this reframing of attitude toward classification is that there is enormous pressure on those charged with maintaining security to work hard at being responsive to reasonable requests for disclosure. One of the results is that FOIA (Freedom of Information Act) requests that have languished for months to years are suddenly being acted upon.1

One outcome of this change in policy is the government’s recent admission of its two-decade-plus involvement in funding highly-classified, special access programs in remote viewing (RV) and related psi phenomena, first at Stanford Research Institute (SRI) and then at Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC), both in Menlo Park, CA, supplemented by various in-house government programs. Although almost all of the documentation remains yet classified, in July 1995 270 pages of SRI reports were declassified and released by the CIA, the program’s first sponsor [2]. Thus, although through the years columns by Jack Anderson and others had claimed leaks of “psychic spy” programs with such exotic names as Grill Flame, Center Lane, Sunstreak and Star Gate, CIA’s release of the SRI reports constitutes the first documented public admission of significant intelligence community involvement in the psi area.

As a consequence of the above, although I had founded the program in early 1972, and had acted as its Director until I left in 1985 to head up the Institute for Advanced Studies at Austin (at which point my colleague Ed May assumed responsibility as Director), it was not until 1995 that I found myself for the first time able to utter in a single sentence the connected acronyms CIA/SRI/RV. In this report I discuss the genesis of the program, report on some of the early, now declassified, results that drove early interest, and outline the general direction the program took as it expanded into a multi-year, multi-site, multi-million-dollar effort to determine whether such phenomena as remote viewing “might have any utility for intelligence collection” [1].


In early 1972 I was involved in laser research at Stanford Research Institute (now called SRI International) in Menlo Park, CA. At that time I was also circulating a proposal to obtain a small grant for some research in quantum biology. In that proposal I had raised the issue whether physical theory as we knew it was capable of describing life processes, and had suggested some measurements involving plants and lower organisms [3]. This proposal was widely circulated, and a copy was sent to Cleve Backster in New York City who was involved in measuring the electrical activity of plants with standard polygraph equipment. New York artist Ingo Swann chanced to see my proposal during a visit to Backster’s lab, and wrote me suggesting that if I were interested in investigating the boundary between the physics of the animate and inanimate, I should consider experiments of the parapsychological type. Swann then went on to describe some apparently successful experiments in psychokinesis in which he had participated at Prof. Gertrude Schmeidler’s laboratory at the City College of New York. As a result of this correspondence I invited him to visit SRI for a week in June 1972 to demonstrate such effects, frankly, as much out of personal scientific curiosity as anything else.

Prior to Swann’s visit I arranged for access to a well-shielded magnetometer used in a quark-detection experiment in the Physics Department at Stanford University. During our visit to this laboratory, sprung as a surprise to Swann, he appeared to perturb the operation of the magnetometer, located in a vault below the floor of the building and shielded by mu-metal shielding, an aluminum container, copper shielding and a superconducting shield. As if to add insult to injury, he then went on to “remote view” the interior of the apparatus, rendering by drawing a reasonable facsimile of its rather complex (and heretofore unpublished) construction. It was this latter feat that impressed me perhaps even more than the former, as it also eventually did representatives of the intelligence community. I wrote up these observations and circulated it among my scientific colleagues in draft form of what was eventually published as part of a conference proceedings [4].

In a few short weeks a pair of visitors showed up at SRI with the above report in hand. Their credentials showed them to be from the CIA. They knew of my previous background as a Naval Intelligence Officer and then civilian employee at the National Security Agency (NSA) several years earlier, and felt they could discuss their concerns with me openly. There was, they told me, increasing concern in the intelligence community about the level of effort in Soviet parapsychology being funded by the Soviet security services [5]; by Western scientific standards the field was considered nonsense by most working scientists. As a result they had been on the lookout for a research laboratory outside of academia that could handle a quiet, low-profile classified investigation, and SRI appeared to fit the bill. They asked if I could arrange an opportunity for them to carry out some simple experiments with Swann, and, if the tests proved satisfactory, would I consider a pilot program along these lines? I agreed to consider this, and arranged for the requested tests.2

The tests were simple, the visitors simply hiding objects in a box and asking Swann to attempt to describe the contents. The results generated in these experiments are perhaps captured most eloquently by the following example. In one test Swann said “I see something small, brown and irregular, sort of like a leaf or something that resembles it, except that it seems very much alive, like it’s even moving!” The target chosen by one of the visitors turned out to be a small live moth, which indeed did look like a leaf. Although not all responses were quite so precise, nonetheless the integrated results were sufficiently impressive that in short order an eight-month, $49,909 Biofield Measurements Program was negotiated as a pilot study, a laser colleague Russell Targ who had had a long-time interest and involvement in parapsychology joined the program, and the experimental effort was begun in earnest.

Early Remote Viewing Results

During the eight-month pilot study of remote viewing the effort gradually evolved from the remote viewing of symbols and objects in envelopes and boxes, to the remote viewing of local target sites in the San Francisco Bay area, demarked by outbound experimenters sent to the site under strict protocols devised to prevent artifactual results. Later judging of the results were similarly handled by double-blind protocols designed to foil artifactual matching. Since these results have been presented in detail elsewhere, both in the scientific literature [6-8] and in popular book format [9], I direct the interested reader to these sources. To summarize, over the years the back-and-forth criticism of protocols, refinement of methods, and successful replication of this type of remote viewing in independent laboratories [10-14], has yielded considerable scientific evidence for the reality of the phenomenon. Adding to the strength of these results was the discovery that a growing number of individuals could be found to demonstrate high-quality remote viewing, often to their own surprise, such as the talented Hella Hammid. As a separate issue, however, most convincing to our early program monitors were the results now to be described, generated under their own control.

First, during the collection of data for a formal remote viewing series targeting indoor laboratory apparatus and outdoor locations (a series eventually published in toto in the Proc. IEEE [7]), the CIA contract monitors, ever watchful for possible chicanery, participated as remote viewers themselves in order to critique the protocols. In this role three separate viewers, designated visitors V1 – V3 in the IEEE paper, contributed seven of the 55 viewings, several of striking quality. Reference to the IEEE paper for a comparison of descriptions/drawings to pictures of the associated targets, generated by the contract monitors in their own viewings, leaves little doubt as to why the contract monitors came to the conclusion that there was something to remote viewing (see, for example, Figure 1 herein). As summarized in the Executive Summary of the now-released Final Report [2] of the second year of the program, “The development of this capability at SRI has evolved to the point where visiting CIA personnel with no previous exposure to such concepts have performed well under controlled laboratory conditions (that is, generated target descriptions of sufficiently high quality to permit blind matching of descriptions to targets by independent judges).” What happened next, however, made even these results pale in comparison.

Figure 1 – Sketch of target by V1

Figure 2 – Target (merry-go-round)

Coordinate Remote Viewing

To determine whether it was necessary to have a “beacon” individual at the target site, Swann suggested carrying out an experiment to remote view the planet Jupiter before the upcoming NASA Pioneer 10 flyby. In that case, much to his chagrin (and ours) he found a ring around Jupiter, and wondered if perhaps he had remote viewed Saturn by mistake. Our colleagues in astronomy were quite unimpressed as well, until the flyby revealed that an unanticipated ring did in fact exist.3

Expanding the protocols yet further, Swann proposed a series of experiments in which the target was designated not by sending a “beacon” person to the target site, but rather by the use of geographical coordinates, latitude and longitude in degrees, minutes and seconds. Needless to say, this proposal seemed even more outrageous than “ordinary” remote viewing. The difficulties in taking this proposal seriously, designing protocols to eliminate the possibility of a combination of globe memorization and eidetic or photographic memory, and so forth, are discussed in considerable detail in Reference [9]. Suffice it to say that investigation of this approach, which we designated Scanate (scanning by coordinate), eventually provided us with sufficient evidence to bring it up to the contract monitors and suggest a test under their control. A description of that test and its results, carried out in mid-1973 during the initial pilot study, are best presented by quoting directly from the Executive Summary of the Final Report of the second year’s followup program [2]. The remote viewers were Ingo Swann and Pat Price, and the entire transcripts are available in the released documents [2].

“In order to subject the remote viewing phenomena to a rigorous long-distance test under external control, a request for geographical coordinates of a site unknown to subject and experimenters was forwarded to the OSI group responsible for threat analysis in this area. In response, SRI personnel received a set of geographical coordinates (latitude and longitude in degrees, minutes, and seconds) of a facility, hereafter referred to as the West Virginia Site. The experimenters then carried out a remote viewing experiment on a double-blind basis, that is, blind to experimenters as well as subject. The experiment had as its goal the determination of the utility of remote viewing under conditions approximating an operational scenario. Two subjects targeted on the site, a sensitive installation. One subject drew a detailed map of the building and grounds layout, the other provided information about the interior including codewords, data subsequently verified by sponsor sources (report available from COTR).”4

Since details concerning the site’s mission in general,5 and evaluation of the remote viewing test in particular, remain highly classified to this day, all that can be said is that interest in the client community was heightened considerably following this exercise.

Because Price found the above exercise so interesting, as a personal challenge he went on to scan the other side of the globe for a Communist Bloc equivalent and found one located in the Urals, the detailed description of which is also included in Ref. [2]. As with the West Virginia Site, the report for the Urals Site was also verified by personnel in the sponsor organization as being substantially correct.

What makes the West Virginia/Urals Sites viewings so remarkable is that these are not best-ever examples culled out of a longer list; these are literally the first two site-viewings carried out in a simulated operational-type scenario. In fact, for Price these were the very first two remote viewings in our program altogether, and he was invited to participate in yet further experimentation.

Operational Remote Viewing (Semipalatinsk, USSR)

Midway through the second year of the program (July 1974) our CIA sponsor decided to challenge us to provide data on a Soviet site of ongoing operational significance. Pat Price was the remote viewer. A description of the remote viewing, taken from our declassified final report [2], reads as given below. I cite this level of detail to indicate the thought that goes into such an “experiment” to minimize cueing while at the same time being responsive to the requirements of an operational situation. Again, this is not a “best-ever” example from a series of such viewings, but rather the very first operational Soviet target concerning which we were officially tasked.

“To determine the utility of remote viewing under operational conditions, a long-distance remote viewing experiment was carried out on a sponsor-designated target of current interest, an unidentified research center at Semipalatinsk, USSR.

This experiment, carried out in three phases, was under direct control of the COTR. To begin the experiment, the COTR furnished map coordinates in degrees, minutes and seconds. The only additional information provided was the designation of the target as an R&D test facility. The experimenters then closeted themselves with Subject S1, gave him the map coordinates and indicated the designation of the target as an R&D test facility. A remote-viewing experiment was then carried out. This activity constituted Phase I of the experiment.

Figure 3 – Subject effort at building layout

Figure 4 – Subject effort at crane construction

Figure 3 shows the subject’s graphic effort for building layout; Figure 4 shows the subject’s particular attention to a multistory gantry crane he observed at the site. Both results were obtained by the experimenters on a double-blind basis before exposure to any additional COTR-held information, thus eliminating the possibility of cueing. These results were turned over to the client representatives for evaluation. For comparison an artist’s rendering of the site as known to the COTR (but not to the experimenters until later) is shown in Figure 5…..

Figure 5 – Actual COTR rendering of Semipalatinsk, USSR target site

Were the results not promising, the experiment would have stopped at this point. Description of the multistory crane, however, a relatively unusual target item, was taken as indicative of possible target acquisition. Therefore, Phase II was begun, defined by the subject being made “witting” (of the client) by client representatives who introduced themselves to the subject at that point; Phase II also included a second round of experimentation on the Semipalatinsk site with direct participation of client representatives in which further data were obtained and evaluated. As preparation for this phase, client representatives purposely kept themselves blind to all but general knowledge of the target site to minimize the possibility of cueing. The Phase II effort was focused on the generation of physical data that could be independently verified by other client sources, thus providing a calibration of the process.

The end of Phase II gradually evolved into the first part of Phase III, the generation of unverifiable data concerning the Semipalatinsk site not available to the client, but of operational interest nonetheless. Several hours of tape transcript and a notebook of drawings were generated over a two-week period.

The data describing the Semipalatinsk site were evaluated by the sponsor, and are contained in a separate report. In general, several details concerning the salient technology of the Semipalatinsk site appeared to dovetail with data from other sources, and a number of specific large structural elements were correctly described. The results contained noise along with the signal, but were nonetheless clearly differentiated from the chance results that were generated by control subjects in comparison experiments carried out by the COTR.”

For discussion of the ambiance and personal factors involved in carrying out this experiment, along with further detail generated as Price (see Figure 6) “roamed” the facility, including detailed comparison of Price’s RV-generated information with later-determined “ground-truth reality,” see the accompanying article by Russell Targ in the Journal of Scientific Exploration, Vol. 10, No. 1. Click here to read the abstract.

Figure 6 – Left to right: Christopher Green, Pat Price, and Hal Puthoff.
Picture taken following a successful experiment involving glider-ground RV.

Additional experiments having implications for intelligence concerns were carried out, such as the remote viewing of cipher-machine type apparatus, and the RV-sorting of sealed envelopes to differentiate those that contained letters with secret writing from those that did not. To discuss these here in detail would take us too far afield, but the interested reader can follow up by referring to the now-declassified project documents [2].

Follow-on Programs

The above discussion brings us up to the end of 1975. As a result of the material being generated by both SRI and CIA remote viewers, interest in the program in government circles, especially within the intelligence community, intensified considerably and led to an ever-increasing briefing schedule. This in turn led to an ever-increasing number of clients, contracts and tasking, and therefore expansion of the program to a multi-client base, and eventually to an integrated joint-services program under single-agency (DIA)6 leadership. To meet the demand for the increased level of effort we first increased our professional staff by inviting Ed May to join the program in 1976, then screened and added to the program a cadre of remote viewers as consultants, and let subcontracts to increase our scope of activity.

As the program expanded, in only a very few cases could the clients’ identities and program tasking be revealed. Examples include a NASA-funded study negotiated early in the program by Russ Targ to determine whether the internal state of an electronic random-number-generator could be detected by RV processes [16], and a study funded by the Naval Electronics Systems Command to determine whether attempted remote viewing of distant light flashes would induce correlated changes in the viewer’s brainwave (EEG) production [17]. For essentially all other projects during my 14-yr. tenure at SRI, however, the identity of the clients and most of the tasking were classified and remain so today. (The exception was the occasional privately-funded study.) We are told, however, that further declassification and release of much of this material is almost certain to occur.

What can be said, then, about further development of the program in the two decades following 1975?7 In broad terms it can be said that much of the SRI effort was directed not so much toward developing an operational U.S. capability, but rather toward assessing the threat potential of its use against the U.S. by others. The words threat assessment were often used to describe the program’s purpose during its development, especially during the early years. As a result much of the remote-viewing activity was carried out under conditions where ground-truth reality was a priori known or could be determined, such as the description of U.S. facilities and technological developments, the timing of rocket test firings and underground nuclear tests, and the location of individuals and mobile units. And, of course, we were responsive to requests to provide assistance during such events as the loss of an airplane or the taking of hostages, relying on the talents of an increasing cadre of remote-viewer/consultants, some well-known in the field such as Keith Harary, and many who have not surfaced publicly until recently, such as Joe McMoneagle.

One might ask whether in this program RV-generated information was ever of sufficient significance as to influence decisions at a policy level. This is of course impossible to determine unless policymakers were to come forward with a statement in the affirmative. One example of a possible candidate is a study we performed at SRI during the Carter-administration debates concerning proposed deployment of the mobile MX missile system. In that scenario missiles were to be randomly shuffled from silo to silo in a silo field, in a form of high-tech shell game. In a computer simulation of a twenty-silo field with randomly-assigned (hidden) missile locations, we were able, using RV-generated data, to show rather forcefully that the application of a sophisticated statistical averaging technique (sequential sampling) could in principle permit an adversary to defeat the system. I briefed these results to the appropriate offices at their request, and a written report with the technical details was widely circulated among groups responsible for threat analysis [18], and with some impact. What role, if any, our small contribution played in the mix of factors behind the enormously complex decision to cancel the program will probably never be known, and must of course a priori be considered in all likelihood negligible. Nonetheless, this is a prototypical example of the kind of tasking that by its nature potentially had policy implications.

Even though the details of the broad range of experiments, some brilliant successes, many total failures, have not yet been released, we have nonetheless been able to publish summaries of what was learned in these studies about the overall characteristics of remote viewing, as in Table 5 of Reference [8]. Furthermore, over the years we were able to address certain questions of scientific interest in a rigorous way and to publish the results in the open literature. Examples include the apparent lack of attenuation of remote viewing due to seawater shielding (submersible experiments) [8], the amplification of RV performance by use of error-correcting coding techniques [19,20], and the utility of a technique we call associational remote viewing (ARV) to generate useful predictive information [21].8

As a sociological aside, we note that the overall efficacy of remote viewing in a program like this was not just a scientific issue. For example, when the Semipalatinsk data described earlier was forwarded for analysis, one group declined to get involved because the whole concept was unscientific nonsense, while a second group declined because, even though it might be real, it was possibly demonic; a third group had to be found. And, as in the case of public debate about such phenomena, the program’s image was on occasion as likely to be damaged by an overenthusiastic supporter as by a detractor. Personalities, politics and personal biases were always factors to be dealt with.

Official Statements/Perspectives

With regard to admission by the government of its use of remote viewers under operational conditions, officials have on occasion been relatively forthcoming. President Carter, in a speech to college students in Atlanta in September 1995, is quoted by Reuters as saying that during his administration a plane went down in Zaire, and a meticulous sweep of the African terrain by American spy satellites failed to locate any sign of the wreckage. It was then “without my knowledge” that the head of the CIA (Adm. Stansfield Turner) turned to a woman reputed to have psychic powers. As told by Carter, “she gave some latitude and longitude figures. We focused our satellite cameras on that point and the plane was there.” Independently, Turner himself also has admitted the Agency’s use of a remote viewer (in this case, Pat Price).9 And recently, in a segment taped for the British television series Equinox [22], Maj. Gen. Ed Thompson, Assistant Chief of Staff for Intelligence, U.S. Army (1977-1981), volunteered “I had one or more briefings by SRI and was impressed…. The decision I made was to set up a small, in-house, low-cost effort in remote viewing….”

Finally, a recent unclassified report [23] prepared for the CIA by the American Institutes for Research (AIR), concerning a remote viewing effort carried out under a DIA program called Star Gate (discussed in detail elsewhere in this volume), cites the roles of the CIA and DIA in the history of the program, including acknowledgment that a cadre of full-time government employees used remote viewing techniques to respond to tasking from operational military organizations.10

As information concerning the various programs spawned by intelligence-community interest is released, and the dialog concerning their scientific and social significance is joined, the results are certain to be hotly debated. Bearing witness to this fact are the companion articles in this volume by Ed May, Director of the SRI and SAIC programs since 1985, and by Jessica Utts and Ray Hyman, consultants on the AIR evaluation cited above. These articles address in part the AIR study. That study, limited in scope to a small fragment of the overall program effort, resulted in a conclusion that although laboratory research showed statistically significant results, use of remote viewing in intelligence gathering was not warranted.

Regardless of one’s a priori position, however, an unimpassioned observer cannot help but attest to the following fact. Despite the ambiguities inherent in the type of exploration covered in these programs, the integrated results appear to provide unequivocal evidence of a human capacity to access events remote in space and time, however falteringly, by some cognitive process not yet understood. My years of involvement as a research manager in these programs have left me with the conviction that this fact must be taken into account in any attempt to develop an unbiased picture of the structure of reality.


1 – One example being the release of documents that are the subject of this report – see the memoir by Russell Targ elsewhere in this volume.
2 – Since the reputation of the intelligence services is mixed among members of the general populace, I have on occasion been challenged as to why I would agree to cooperate with the CIA or other elements of the intelligence community in this work. My answer is simply that as a result of my own previous exposure to this community I became persuaded that war can almost always be traced to a failure in intelligence, and that therefore the strongest weapon for peace is good intelligence.
3 – This result was published by us in advance of the ring’s discovery [9].
4 – Editor’s footnote added here: COTR – Contracting Officer’s Technical Representative
5 – An NSA listening post at the Navy’s Sugar Grove facility, according to intelligence-community chronicler Bamford [15]
6 – DIA – Defense Intelligence Agency. The CIA dropped out as a major player in the mid-seventies due to pressure on the Agency (unrelated to the RV Program) from the Church-Pike Congressional Committee.
7 – See also the contribution by Ed May elsewhere in this volume concerning his experiences from 1985 on during his tenure as Director.
8 – For example, one application of this technique yielded not only a published, statistically significant result, but also a return of $26,000 in 30 days in the silver futures market [21].
9 – The direct quote is given in Targ’s contribution elsewhere in this volume.
10 – “From 1986 to the first quarter of FY 1995, the DoD paranormal psychology program received more than 200 tasks from operational military organizations requesting that the program staff apply a paranormal psychological technique know (sic) as “remote viewing” (RV) to attain information unavailable from other sources.” [23]


[1] “CIA Statement on ‘Remote Viewing’,” CIA Public Affairs Office, 6 September 1995.

[2] Harold E. Puthoff and Russell Targ, “Perceptual Augmentation Techniques,” SRI Progress Report No. 3 (31 Oct. 1974) and Final Report (1 Dec. 1975) to the CIA, covering the period January 1974 through February 1975, the second year of the program. This effort was funded at the level of $149,555.

[3] H. E. Puthoff, “Toward a Quantum Theory of Life Process,” unpubl. proposal, Stanford Research Institute (1972).

[4] H. E. Puthoff and R. Targ, “Physics, Entropy and Psychokinesis,” in Proc. Conf. Quantum Physics and Parapsychology (Geneva, Switzerland); (New York: Parapsychology Foundation, 1975).

[5] Documented in “Paraphysics R&D – Warsaw Pact (U),” DST-1810S-202-78, Defense Intelligence Agency (30 March 1978).

[6] R. Targ and H. E. Puthoff, “Information Transfer under Conditions of Sensory Shielding,” Nature 252, 602 (1974).

[7] H. E. Puthoff and R. Targ, “A Perceptual Channel for Information Transfer over Kilometer Distances: Historical Perspective and Recent Research,” Proc. IEEE 64, 329 (1976).

[8] H. E. Puthoff, R. Targ and E. C. May, “Experimental Psi Research: Implications for Physics,” in The Role of Consciousness in the Physical World, edited by R. G. Jahn (AAAS Selected Symposium 57, Westview Press, Boulder, 1981).

[9] R. Targ and H. E. Puthoff, Mind Reach (Delacorte Press, New York, 1977).

[10] J. P. Bisaha and B. J. Dunne, “Multiple Subject and Long-Distance Precognitive Remote Viewing of Geographical Locations,” in Mind at Large, edited by C. T. Tart, H. E. Puthoff and R. Targ (Praeger, New York, 1979), p. 107.

[11] B. J. Dunne and J. P. Bisaha, “Precognitive Remote Viewing in the Chicago Area: a Replication of the Stanford Experiment,” J. Parapsychology 43, 17 (1979).

[12] R. G. Jahn, “The Persistent Paradox of Psychic Phenomena: An Engineering Perspective,” Proc. IEEE 70, 136 (1982).

[13] R. G. Jahn and B. J. Dunne, “On the Quantum Mechanics of Consciousness with Application to Anomalous Phenomena,” Found. Phys. 16, 721 (1986).

[14] R. G. Jahn and B. J. Dunne, Margins of Reality (Harcourt, Brace and Jovanovich, New York, 1987).

[15] J. Bamford, The Puzzle Palace (Penguin Books, New York, 1983) pp. 218-222.

[16] R. Targ, P. Cole and H. E. Puthoff, “Techniques to Enhance Man/Machine Communication,” Stanford Research Institute Final Report on NASA Project NAS7-100 (August 1974).

[17] R. Targ, E. C. May, H. E. Puthoff, D. Galin and R. Ornstein, “Sensing of Remote EM Sources (Physiological Correlates),” SRI Intern’l Final Report on Naval Electronics Systems Command Project N00039-76-C-0077, covering the period November 1975 – to October 1976 (April 1978).

[18] H. E. Puthoff, “Feasibility Study on the Vulnerability of the MPS System to RV Detection Techniques,” SRI Internal Report, 15 April 1979; revised 2 May 1979.

[19] H. E. Puthoff, “Calculator-Assisted Psi Amplification,” Research in Parapsychology 1984, edited by Rhea White and J. Solfvin (Scarecrow Press, Metuchen, NJ, 1985), p. 48.

[20] H. E. Puthoff, “Calculator-Assisted Psi Amplification II: Use of the Sequential-Sampling Technique as a Variable-Length Majority-Vote Code,” Research in Parapsychology 1985, edited by D. Weiner and D. Radin (Scarecrow Press, Metuchen, NJ, 1986), p. 73.

[21] H. E. Puthoff, “ARV (Associational Remote Viewing) Applications,” Research in Parapsychology 1984, edited by Rhea White and J. Solfvin (Scarecrow Press, Metuchen, NJ, 1985), p. 121.

[22] “The Real X-Files,” Independent Channel 4, England (shown 27 August 1995); to be shown in the U.S. on the Discovery Channel.

[23] M. D. Mumford, A. M. Rose and D. Goslin, “An Evaluation of Remote Viewing: Research and Applications,” American Institutes for Research (September 29, 1995).

Copyright 1996 by H.E. Puthoff.

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Following are abstracts from the Journal of Scientific Exploration, Volume 10, Number 1, in which this article first appeared… To read articles from past issues, and/or for subscription information, click here to visit their Website.
An Assessment of the Evidence for Psychic Functioning
by Jessica Utts
Division of Statistics, University of California, Davis, CA 95616

Volume 10 Number 1: Page 3.
Research on psychic functioning, conducted over a two decade period, is examined to determine whether or not the phenomenon has been scientifically established. A secondary question is whether or not it is useful for government purposes. The primary work examined in this report was government sponsored research conducted at Stanford Research Institute, later known as SRI International, and at Science Applications International Corporation, known as SAIC. Using the standards applied to any other area of science, it is concluded that psychic functioning has been well established. The statistical results of the studies examined are far beyond what is expected by chance. Arguments that these results could be due to methodological flaws in the experiments are soundly refuted. Effects of similar magnitude to those found in government-sponsored research at SRI and SAIC have been replicated at a number of laboratories across the world. Such consistency cannot be readily explained by claims of flaws or fraud. The magnitude of psychic functioning exhibited appears to be in the range between what social scientists call a small and medium effect. That means that it is reliable enough to be replicated in properly conducted experiments, with sufficient trials to achieve the long-run statistical results needed for replicability. A number of other patterns have been found, suggestive of how to conduct more productive experiments and applied psychic functioning. For instance, it doesn’t appear that a sender is needed. Precognition, in which the answer is known to no one until a future time, appears to work quite well. Recent experiments suggest that if there is a psychic sense then it works much like our other five senses, by detecting change. Given that physicists are currently grappling with an understanding of time, it may be that a psychic sense exists that scans the future for major change, much as our eyes scan the environment for visual change or our ears allow us to respond to sudden changes in sound. It is recommended that future experiments focus on understanding how this phenomenon works, and on how to make it as useful as possible. There is little benefit to continuing experiments designed to offer proof, since there is little more to be offered to anyone who does not accept the current collection of data.

Evaluation of a Program on Anomalous Mental Phenomena
by Ray Hyman
1227 University of Oregon, Department of Psychology, Eugene, OR 97403
Volume 10 Number 1: Page 31.
Jessica Utts and I were commissioned to evaluate the research on remote viewing and related phenomena which was carried out at Stanford Research Institute (SRI) and Scientific Applications International Corporation (SAIC) during the years from 1973 through 1994. We focussed on the ten most recent experiments which were conducted at SAIC from 1992 through 1994. These were not only the most recent but also the most methodologically sound. We evaluated these experiments in the context of contemporary parapsychological research. Professor Utts concluded that the SAIC results, taken in conjunction with other parapsychological research, proved the existence of ESP, especially precognition. My report argues that Professor Utts’ conclusion is premature, to say the least. The reports of the SAIC experiments have become accessible for public scrutiny too recently for adequate evaluation. Moreover, their findings have yet to be independently replicated. My report also argues that the apparent consistencies between the SAIC results and those of other parapsychological experiments may be illusory. Many important inconsistencies are emphasized. Even if the observed effects can be independently replicated, much more theoretical and empirical investigation would be needed before one could legitimately claim the existence of paranormal functioning. Note: This article is followed by a response from Jessica Utts.

Remote Viewing at Stanford Research Institute in the 1970s: A Memoir
by Russell Targ
Bay Research Institute, 1010 Harriet Street, Palo Alto, CA 94301
Volume 10 Number 1: Page 77.
Hundreds of remote viewing experiments were carried out at Stanford Research Institute (SRI) from 1972 to 1986. The purpose of some of these trials was to elucidate the physical and psychological properties of psi abilities, while others were conducted to provide information for our CIA sponsor about current events in far off places. We learned that the accuracy and reliability of remote viewing was not in any way affected by distance, size, or electromagnetic shielding, and we discovered that the more exciting or demanding the task, the more likely we were to be successful. Above all, we became utterly convinced of the reality of psi abilities. This article focuses on two outstanding examples: One is an exceptional, map-like drawing of a Palo Alto swimming pool complex, and the other is an architecturally accurate drawing of a gantry crane located at a Soviet weapons laboratory, and verified by satellite photography. The percipient for both of these experiments was Pat Price, a retired police commissioner who was one of the most outstanding remote viewers to walk through the doors of SRI.

The American Institutes for Research Review of the
Department of Defense’s STAR GATE Program: A Commentary
by Edwin C. May
Cognitive Sciences Laboratory, 330 Cowper Street, Suite 200, Palo Alto, CA 94301
Volume 10 Number 1: Page 89.
As a result of a Congressionally Directed Activity, the Central Intelligence Agency conducted an evaluation of a 24-year, government-sponsored program to investigate ESP and its potential use within the Intelligence Community. The American Institutes for Research was contracted to conduct the review of both research and operations. Their 29 September 1995 final report was released to the public 28 November 1995. As a result of AIR’s assessment, the CIA concluded that a statistically significant effect had been demonstrated in the laboratory, but that there was no case in which ESP had provided data that had ever been used to guide intelligence operations. This paper is a critical review of AIR’s methodology and conclusions. It will be shown that there is compelling evidence that the CIA set the outcome with regard to intelligence usage before the evaluation had begun. This was accomplished by limiting the research and operations data sets to exclude positive findings, by purposefully not interviewing historically significant participants, by ignoring previous DOD extensive program reviews, and by using the discredited National Research Council’s investigation of parapsychology as the starting point for their review. While there may have been political and administrative justification for the CIA not to accept the government’s in-house program for the operational use of anomalous cognition, this appeared to drive the outcome of the evaluation. As a result, they have come to the wrong conclusion with regard to the use of anomalous cognition in intelligence operations and significantly underestimated the robustness of the basic phenomenon.

FieldREG Anomalies in Group Situations
by R. D. Nelson, G. J. Bradish, Y. H. Dobyns, B. J. Dunne, and R. G. Jahn
Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research, School of Engineering/Applied Science,
Princeton University, Princeton, NJ 08544
Volume 10 Number 1: Page 111.
Portable random event generators with software to record and index continuous sequences of binary data in field situations are found to produce anomalous outputs when deployed in various group environments. These “FieldREG” systems have been operated under formal protocols in ten separate venues, all of which subdivide naturally into temporal segments, such as sessions, presentations, or days. The most extreme data segments from each of the ten applications, after appropriate correction for multiple sampling, compound to a collective probability against chance expectation of 2 X 10^-4. Interpretation remains speculative at this point, but logbook notes and anecdotal reports from participants suggest that high degrees of attention, intellectual cohesiveness, shared emotion, or other coherent qualities of the groups tend to correlate with the statistically unusual deviations from theoretical expectation in the FieldREG sequences. If sustained over more extensive experiments, such effects could add credence to the concept of a consciousness “field” as an agency for creating order in random physical processes.

Anomalous Organization of Random Events by Group Consciousness:
Two Exploratory Experiments
by Dean I. Radin, Jannine M. Rebman, and Maikwe P. Cross
Consciousness Research Laboratory, Harry Reid Center,
University of Nevada, Las Vegas, NV 89154-4009
Volume 10 Number 1: Page 143.
Two experiments explored the hypothesis that when a group of people focus their attention on a common object of interest, order will arise in the environment. An electronic random number generator was used to detect these changes in order. Events judged to be interesting to the group were called periods of high coherence and were predicted to cause corresponding moments of order in the random samples collected during those events; uninteresting events were predicted to cause chance levels of order in the random samples. The first experiment was conducted during an all-day Holotropic Breathwork workshop. The predictions were confirmed, with a significant degree of order observed in the random samples during high group coherence periods (p = 0.002), and chance order observed during low group coherence periods (p = 0.43). The second experiment was conducted during the live television broadcast of the 67th Annual Academy Awards. Two random binary generators, located 12 miles apart, were used to independently measure order. The predictions were confirmed for about half of the broadcast period, but the terminal cumulative probabilities were not significant. A post-hoc analysis showed that the strength of the correlation between the output of the two random generators was significantly related (r = 0.94) to the decline in the television viewing audience.


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